
Bart Claes
In episode 50 of the Connexi podcast, Bart Claes, CEO of JBC (Claes Retail Group with brands JBC, Mayerline and CKS), discusses three pivotal moments: joining his father Jean-Baptiste Claes' company in 1985 after his commercial engineering studies, the drawn-out handover from his father between 2004 and 2009, and an emotional 2018 conversation with his sister and co-leader Ann where they admitted the turnaround might fail but resolved to fight on. He describes himself as an introverted, highly sensitive, disciplined leader who manages his energy through morning swims, cold showers and cycling. He details the storms hitting mid-segment fashion retail: online giants like Zalando, cheap chains like Primark and Action, COVID store closures, and now soaring energy costs and wage indexation. Throughout he champions 'mildheid' (compassion), the 'gun factor' between siblings, and equal, complementary leadership where each takes 51% of responsibility in bad times.
Insights & takeaways
Bart Claes's public reflections circle around one central idea: that professional identity and personal worth must be kept separate, especially when a company is fighting for survival. He and his sister Ann arrived at this explicitly during two different crisis periods — first around 2018, then again reflected on in the 2022 retrospective — telling each other directly that "we zijn meer als alleen het professioneel stuk van ons leven" 1. This was not resignation but a deliberate psychological move: by agreeing that failure would not make them lesser people, they freed themselves to fight harder rather than freezing in fear of loss 12. The bravado of "Not under our watch. Potverdorie, we gaan toch alles aan doen, maar echt alles, het onderste kan halen om het recht te trekken" 2 sits right next to this calm acceptance of possible failure — for Claes these are two sides of the same coping mechanism, not a contradiction.
A second recurring theme is legitimacy as a second-generation leader. Claes is insistent that inheriting rather than founding a company does not make him less of an entrepreneur: "Ik voel me ook niet minder ondernemer. Ik heb het voortgezet. Kinderen van stichters moeten ook niet denken: ik ben dan minder ondernemer als een stichter" 2. This belief is backed by concrete practice rather than just rhetoric — he describes the mandatory 6-9 month traject through every department that he, his sister, and any future family member entering the business must complete, mirroring how he and Ann themselves started on the shop floor 2. He also points to governance as the real mechanism of succession, not sentiment: it was the external board members, not the family itself, who confronted his father in 2003 about a generational clash in vision, which led to the father stepping back from operations in 2004 2. For Claes, formal structures and outside voices matter more than family harmony narratives when it comes to actually transferring control.
The sibling partnership itself is something he describes almost as a designed system rather than an organic relationship. He is explicit that neither wants to dominate the other: "Geen van de twee wil de andere beheersen. Wij beheren onze relatie, wij beheersen ze niet. Wij zijn echt volledig gelijkwaardig" 2. This equality is operationalized through what amounts to a credit-and-blame rule: each grants the other 51% of the credit when things go well, and each takes 51% of the responsibility when things go badly 2. Combined with a complementary "yin-yang" balancing dynamic in meetings, this is less a philosophy of niceness and more a working protocol for keeping a two-person leadership structure functional under pressure — summarized in his own phrase, "Wij gunnen elkaar het succes" 2.
On the business itself, Claes repeatedly resists simple narratives about digital disruption. He argues that selling online is not the hard part — selling online profitably against a competitor the scale of Zalando, with a revenue gap of roughly 10 billion versus JBC's 250 million, is what actually takes years to master 2. He also traces part of the mid-segment retail squeeze not to e-commerce alone but to the 2015-2016 terror attacks, which he says triggered a structural, lasting fear-driven reduction in clothing spend and pushed shoppers toward discounters 2. And he is blunt about the limits of digital growth as a hedge: even doubling online sales 2.5x during 2020 could not offset closing 150 physical stores for three months, since stores represented 90% of revenue 2. These are not abstract observations but lessons drawn from watching JBC nearly buckle under sequential shocks — online disruption, terror-driven consumer caution, COVID closures, and inflation.
Claes also talks candidly about his own temperament as a factor in how he leads. As a self-described introverted, highly sensitive CEO, he says he protects his energy deliberately by structuring his work around one-on-one meetings rather than large group settings 2. This ties to a broader statement he makes about how he sees his own life: "Je hebt twee soorten mensen: die vertellen over wat ze doen in het leven, en mensen die leven. En ik ben de tweede" 2. The line reads as a rejection of performative entrepreneurship — for Claes, running JBC through crisis after crisis is not content or narrative but simply the thing he does, quietly, and he frames his calm as functional rather than decorative: "Uit rust, uit stilte komt kracht" 2.
Finally, Claes shows a willingness to experiment with format even while holding to conservative instincts about family governance — the clearest example being JBC's clothing line with Camille for kids aged 4-14, extended into a Roblox/metaverse version where avatar clothing is earned through in-game points rather than bought with parents' credit cards 2. This is presented as a values-driven design choice, not just a marketing gimmick: he wants the mechanism of acquisition, even in a virtual space, to teach earning rather than spending. It fits his broader claim about family businesses generating a disproportionate share of economic value, which he puts at around 75 percent, and his conviction that it is leaders' daily behavior, not formal charters, that employees actually absorb and mirror 2.
- During JBC's crisis years, he and his sister explicitly agreed they would not feel inferior or guilty if it failed because they are more than the professional part of their lives — which paradoxically freed the fighting spirit to turn it around.
- Selling online is not the hard part; selling online profitably against giants like Zalando (10B revenue vs their 250M) with unequal means takes years to master.
- The 2015-2016 terror attacks triggered consumer fear that structurally reduced clothing spend and accelerated the shift to discounters, putting massive pressure on the mid-segment.
- Even doubling online sales (x2.5 in 2020) cannot compensate for closing 150 physical stores for 3 months when stores represent 90% of revenue.
- As an introverted, highly sensitive CEO he protects his energy by structuring work around 1-on-1 meetings rather than large group settings.
- The external board members took the initiative in 2003 to confront his father about the generational clash in vision, leading to the father stepping out of operations in 2004 — an example of governance driving family succession.
- The next generation entering the family business must complete a 6-9 month traject through every part of the company, just as Bart and his sister started on the shop floor.
- Their sibling partnership works via three rules: complementary yin-yang balancing in meetings, managing (not controlling) the relationship as full equals, and each granting the other 51% of the credit in good times while taking 51% of the responsibility in bad times.
- In 2018 he and his sister explicitly told each other they might not save the business and that failure would not make them worth less as people — separating identity from the company freed up their fighting spirit.
- JBC is launching a clothing line with Camille for kids 4-14 including a Roblox/metaverse version where avatar clothing is bought with points earned by playing, deliberately not with parents' credit cards.
- Family businesses generate a disproportionate share of economic value (he cites ~75%) and leaders' daily behavior — not formal charters — is what employees mirror.
Career
- JBCCEO
- Zembro#205factoryCo FounderSep 2014 – Feb 2020
Commercial engineer at KU Leuven1981 - 1985
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Media & appearances
2- 1podcastConnexi · 19 Dec 2022
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- 2podcastConnexi · 07 Nov 2022
JBC CEO Bart Claes reflects on joining and taking over the family fashion retail business with his sister Ann, surviving successive crises (online disruption, terror-driven spending dips, COVID, inflation), and why 'mildness', equality and beheren-not-beheersen underpin their partnership.