Daniëlle Vanwesenbeeck

Daniëlle Vanwesenbeeck is Founder & CEO at MASTERmail.

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Overview

In this Connexi podcast, host Bert Vandebuerie interviews Daniëlle Vanwesenbeeck, who founded MASTERmail in 2004, a production company specialised in direct marketing and postal mailings processing 10-12 million pieces per year. She recounts starting without a plan, hiring 'key persons' to build the company, and deliberately investing in machine autonomy so headcount fell from 17 to 11 while efficiency rose. She discusses three pivotal moments: realising there is no book on entrepreneurship (you must trust your gut), combining entrepreneurship with 2.5 years in the Flemish Parliament and the burnout-like crash after the elections, and winning the Womed Award in 2012 which opened networks and made her an advocate for less modest Flemish entrepreneurship. She also covers difficult moments, including an employee's suicide and a departing sales person who poached clients, which she turned into a rebuild of sales and marketing.

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The through-line

The recurring conviction is that standing still is already going backwards. "Liever niet stilstaan, niets is achteruitgaan" [4] is not a slogan attached to a single venture but the operating logic behind every decision described: starting a company without a business plan because studies can run forever and at some point you simply have to jump [4], opening a digital pricing tool in a paper industry without knowing whether the market would want it [3], and treating a departing salesperson or a collapsed market as material to rebuild with rather than damage to absorb [4]. Alongside it sits a second belief, stated plainly: "Succes heeft niks te maken met omzet" [4]. The measure of a company is whether it can run without its founder, whether the people in it are looked after, and whether it is still moving.

Over time the arena has changed more than the instinct. The early material is about construction: finding the first key hires, building a building, surviving the aftermath of a crisis [4]. The later material is about tearing out the inside of a functioning company and replacing it, described as "een bedrijf in een bedrijf aan het bouwen. Een grote renovatie zeg maar" [3]. The same appetite for jumping is now aimed at the founder's own established model, and the same argument about not standing still has widened into a public position about work itself and whether Flanders still says out loud that working is worth doing [1].

On jumping before you are certain

The company began not from a plan but from a realisation about dependency: with production partners and her own network of clients, an employer was no longer necessary [4]. That hardened into a general disposition, summed up as "Eigenlijk heb ik niemand nodig om dingen te realiseren" [4] and its practical corollary, "Af en toe moet je ook gewoon de dingen loslaten en durven springen" [4]. The reasoning against endless preparation is that studies can always be extended, so the decision to move is never handed to you by the analysis. The same logic reappears in the digital pivot: the question of whether a completely new thing would land in an old classic sector was genuinely open, "en ja, zonder te weten of het de markt zou smaken, zijn we er aan begonnen en ik kan u zeggen : het werkt" [3].

This is explicitly what separates the two types of leader she describes. A manager wants everything to run in a controlled way according to plan; an entrepreneur wants to jump on the train of opportunity whether or not it appears in the plan [4]. The commercial version of the same reflex is "Een nee heb je en een ja kun je krijgen" [4]. Jumping is not the same as recklessness, though: emptying the entire war chest to build the company premises in the middle of the banking crisis, with no orders coming in, is named as the mistake never to repeat [4], consistent with her rule that when you make mistakes you learn from them and act so you do not go through the same thing again [4].

On 'digital in, paper out'

The trigger for digitising a postal mailing business came from two places: visits with Voka - Kamer van Koophandel Vlaams-Brabant, and her eldest son, nearly 21 [2]. Roughly three years ago a Voka visit to the new Tesla factory in Berlin proved decisive, and not because of the robots. What struck her were the offices: an enthusiastic crew of thirty-somethings behind screens, no marker, no paper, no paperclips anywhere, and half an hour of walking without finding a printer still producing paper documents [2]. The factory runs entirely digitally, customers order digitally, the order is processed, and the output is a car [2]. The Eureka was that the nature of your own output does not dictate the nature of your process.

The renovation is framed as a house being rebuilt room by room, with the ethos "digital in, paper out" and digitalisation and automation pushed far [3]. The benefit is stated on both sides of the counter: for clients it is faster, more efficient, clearer and simpler; for the Mastermailers inside the company it is less hassle and also more efficient [3]. The first room opened to the public is an online mailing calculator, so that for simple jobs clients no longer request a quote but work out a price themselves in two minutes [3].

On automation and what the company actually sells

Automation here is a long-running discipline rather than a recent conversion. Focusing on machine autonomy took headcount from 17 to 11 while efficiency rose: sixteen years ago a machine ran 3,000 to 4,000 pieces an hour with two operators, and now one operator runs 10,000 envelopes an hour while simultaneously tending a second machine [4]. The strategic point is that this productivity is not where the differentiation lies. Anyone can buy a machine that fills an envelope; the added value is the IT complexity of programming mailings so that operators have to interpret as little as possible [4].

That view also settles the question of scale. "Ondernemen is niet perse willen zoveel mogelijk mensen willen hebben" [4]. Growth is measured in what the system can do, not in how many people are needed to make it do it.

On making yourself dispensable

The test she applies to a business is whether the owner can leave it: "Hoe kunt je een vakantie neer als uw bedrijf niet zonder u kan draaien, dan heb je geen leven niet meer" [4]. Getting there runs through one hard, expensive step. A startup SME has to hire genuine key persons, people who can run sales or production themselves, and although the cost feels prohibitive it is essential, because "die houden de 'poutrelle' van uw bedrijf vast en daarop kun je uw bedrijf bouwen" [4].

The sequencing matters. The first four years are the fixing phase, 200% focus on clients and getting things done with limited means, and only the key hires afterwards free the founder to work on the business rather than in it [4]. The internal culture that follows is deliberately light: she is allergic to the 'Excel management' she saw at multinationals, and at her own SME meetings are kept to a minimum at the team's own request, replaced by short informal overleg moments [4].

On people, risk and the things that go wrong

Two hard episodes shape her view of an employer's responsibility. After a team member's suicide she concluded that she had missed the signals, and since then has deliberately built social vigilance into the workplace, on the principle that as an entrepreneur you must care for your people because they are what make the company [4]. When a salesperson of nine years left and began calling her clients, she treated the threat as an opening: she rebuilt the sales team and the marketing so that the story told to the market became the MASTERmail story rather than one individual's story, and had lawyers redraft the employment contracts [4].

Not every risk is solvable that way. Her biggest business fear is the total dependence on bpost as the single postal distributor: a decision by one large player could disrupt the whole business, and there is no alternative supplier to switch to [4].

On politics, business and the pace of each

The two worlds run at different speeds. Business decisions are fast and black or white; politics is the art of the possible and of balance, and each side could usefully borrow from the other, the pace from one and the nuance from the other [4]. She is also candid about the physical cost. When the elections ended and politics fell away, the adrenaline dropped and she was left drained physically and mentally after months of running seven days a week on reserve, which she offers as the explanation for why entrepreneurs step back out of politics [4].

On work as a source of meaning

Her current public argument is that the pendulum of extra rules and protective measures giving people more ways not to work has swung too far, and that she has run into this a lot lately [1]. The question she puts is blunt: is it not enough by now, and "mag er nog gewoon gewerkt worden?" [1]. The positive half of the case is the one she wants carried further, that working is equally a form of meaning-making and that the message deserves to be said more loudly [1].

On giving back and Flemish modesty

Winning the Womed Award produced a realisation about her peers: many Flemish entrepreneurs are too modest and do not recognise that what they do is not self-evident [4]. Telling the story has practical consequences, opening networks and helping starting entrepreneurs [4], which is also her stated reason for participating at all: "Voor een stuk denk ik is het belangrijk dat ondernemers ook teruggeven aan andere ondernemers" [5].

Takeaways

  • Judge a business by whether you can take a holiday from it, not by turnover: "Succes heeft niks te maken met omzet" [4], and "hoe kunt je een vakantie neer als uw bedrijf niet zonder u kan draaien, dan heb je geen leven niet meer" [4].
  • Hire the expensive key persons who can run sales or production alone; they hold the poutrelle on which the company is built, and only then can you work on the business instead of in it [4].
  • Your output does not dictate your process: Tesla's Berlin offices had no paper, no paperclips and no printer to be found, yet the output was a car, which is the argument for "digital in, paper out" in a postal mailing company [2][3].
  • Ship a piece of the new model before you know the market wants it; the online mailing calculator, which prices simple jobs in two minutes without a quote request, was launched without certainty and worked [3].
  • The differentiator is the IT, not the hardware: anyone can buy a machine to fill an envelope, so the value sits in programming mailings so operators interpret as little as possible [4].
  • Automate for autonomy rather than headcount: 17 people down to 11, and from 3,000-4,000 pieces per hour with two operators to 10,000 envelopes per hour with one who also tends a second machine [4].
  • Do not empty the war chest to build during a downturn with no orders coming in; learn from mistakes so you do not repeat them [4].
  • Build social vigilance into the workplace deliberately, because the people are what make the company and the signals are easy to miss [4].
  • Name your single points of failure: total dependence on bpost as the only postal distributor, with no alternative supplier, is the standing structural risk [4].

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